“We actually had intended to create a fake voicemail from Steve Rogers,” Joe Russo said. “For the people that left the theater and called that number [on Stark’s flip phone], they would get a voicemail from Steve Rogers. We had it all ready to go, but legal took that away from us.“
I’m officially the most disappointed person on Earth.
I don’t know if it’s the makeup or the lighting or just Jared’s spectacular acting, but that is the face of a truly otherworldly creature.
That is a very old soul.
And a not entirely benign one.
More, please.
Not to speak for @chiisana-sukima, but to me this relates to the ambiguity of Sam’s – well, forgiveness isn’t the relevant word here, though it certainly comes into play in the same nexus of issues – Sam’s distances from his own reactions. Sam as a person whose experiences have been unimaginably extreme, and who has accustomed himself to deliberately and/or unconsciously compartmentalize and minimize their effect on him in order to keep functioning, is a bit inhuman, because being shaped and affected by experiences is a human thing.
And that effect isn’t entirely benign, though it’s also not evil. It makes it hard for Sam to hold people accountable for what they do do to him, for one thing. The ability to experience physical and emotional pain is vital to survival, it’s a necessary warning system, and I think it’s also vital in social and relationship spheres, to keep the ethical reactions that shape how we treat each other dynamic. The fact that with Cole, for instance, “this is a person who tortured me” doesn’t seem to be part of their later interactions at all (and that’s an instance chosen almost at random) makes me terrified for Sam, but also a little bit terrified of him. Even when we see Sam very explicitly using his experiences, as in his dealings with Jack and his dealings with Dean on Jack’s behalf, Sam can’t seem to speak comfortably out of a place of experiencer of his own experiences, they’re something he lends to others, a kind of imaginary currency. Even when Sam does directly acknowledge pain, it often seems displaced somehow, if only temporally: his outburst about his distance from Mary is something that comes after the fact, that maybe could only exist in expressible form for him after the fact.
Ok if your introvert friend tells you “you don’t count as people” you know they will ride or die with you for life. Not counting as people is the introvert Platonic friend equivalent of getting married.
My SO once told me that “time with you is basically me-time” and it is the most beautiful thing and the most sincere form of ‘I love you’ I’ve ever heard.
lemme talk about how much i love the Winter Soldier theme again.
first: i think its basically what Buckys head sounds like. screaming, metallic sounds. that bit in the beginning – ever been somewhere dead silent and get that loud hum in your ears? it sounds like that to me. its a great way to represent how completely alone and isolated he is. the radio-static with the distorted talking, maybe its memories being completely distorted to the point he cant tell what they’re saying.
BUT this is the gorgeous part of it:
so, its been theorized that the metallic sounding scream is actually Bucky screaming as he falls from the train, but slowed down and stretched out with heavy filtering.
lemme tell you why thats got to be true. first, how beyond perfect?? its taking something thats *Bucky*, something he did while he was still himself. a very human sound, full of fear and shit. its taking that -just like Bucky- and turning it into something inhuman and metallic.
also, that even though he’s been turned into a cold, calculating killing machine, the machine is still screaming.
when you get your first look at Bucky, when he pulls the goggles off, what do you hear? the scream. you see his face a bit on the rooftop scene, but good enough as to tell its Bucky. but there we get a closeup of his eyes, and its sort of like the last time we saw him and the first since then are being tied together.
and ok, holy shit, i tried listening to it on my headphones, closed my eyes to focus…and had to open them because its just such a fucking terrifying song i got freaked xD
but think about that. you’re not suppose to know its Bucky yet. you’re suppose to be afraid of this dude, and the music seriously adds to that. but, in reality, its not the Winter Soldier thats scary, its what was done to him. the thing thats freaking you out is his terrified screams
now, ok, maybe its not that i could be wrong.
…except im not.
listen, listen! play the song. listen very carefully at the tail end of the first scream. you can hear Steve yell “Bucky!”.
and what is so bleeding brilliant is that, even though its heavily filtered too, its much less filtered than the rest. its the only thing that sounds remotely organic and human in the whole thing. basically, the one thing still human in Buckys mind is Steve.
on that note: does anyone think they know what the static/radio sounding voices are saying? i need fresh ears
anyways here the song xD (the thing im sure is Steve is about 0:25 seconds in. verrry faint gotta turn that bitch up)
Update
oh my god.
all this time, i never thought of the most obvious thing: the most distorted, unrecognizable words in Buckys mind…would be his.
@kaleenjackson figured it out. the first bit of speech around 1:20, listen a few times, and im pretty sure the words will click too “im with you till the end of the line”
of course thats in his head, if this is Bucky’s mind, and we know he recognizes it when Steve says it….what if he’s spent years trying to figure out what its saying, and then Steve says it and it clicks. The Russo’s said in the beginning of CW he doesn’t remember much, what if he doesn’t remember saying it, he realizes thats what the words he’d been trying to figure out have been.
look at his reaction with this in mind: distorted words in his head that are messed up and he cant understand what therye saying, probably getting more distorted as time went on, but always there. he knows its this on, huge important thing that he’s been trying to figure out for decades…and Steve just says it, and he’s realizing thats what the words in his head have been
this guy knows what they mean. Bucky might not remember saying them, but its this one, deep personal thing he’s been able to hold onto but never understand. if this guy knows them, he has to be telling the truth.
ily @kaleenjackson, i honestly do. this is just fantastic. i need to lay down ive worn myself out. and should go explain to my roommate why she just heard robot screaming and a bunch other terrifying shit and then ‘HOLY FUCK!!!! HO. LY. FUCK”
also on that note, i think the second bit of speech is “Sargent James Barnes”
Because there’s a human element to the Winter Soldier that gets revealed toward the end of the film, the Winter Soldier starts off unrelenting and brutal and mechanized and almost Terminator like but the difference between The Winter Soldier and Terminator is that somewhere behind the wires and all the mechanization is a character that we know and we care about and that more importantly, Cap knows about and it’s very painful to him.
So one of the things I ended up doing with the Winter Soldier was I spent literally ten days just on production with vocals because I wanted to get the sensation of a human trapped inside machinery. So I did a lot of vocal recordings and then processed the living hell out of them to get these tortured, time-stretched human cries of someone who has been so processed that it’s become mechanized at the same time but you can still hear the human in there.
Usta jak krew o smaku malinowym 